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Do young Russians tend to learn English? I've noticed Russians in general prefer Anonymous  02/06/19 Вск 01:37:15 590671
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Do young Russians tend to learn English? I've noticed Russians in general prefer to translate and localize most media into Russian instead of bothering with English. Is there not as much pressure to learn English compared to other countries because so much stuff gets translated to Russian anyways?
Anonymous  02/06/19 Вск 02:21:44 590692
>>59067 (OP)
Советский человек и иностранные языки - это тема отдельного
разговора. Когда в шестидесятые стали расширять международные связи,
оказалось, что языков у нас никто не знает. Что прекрасно характеризует
работу КГБ, начисто отучившее поголовье населения от общения с
иностранцами. Даже студенты-филологи языковых отделений имели по программе
часов языка столько же, сколько марксизма-ленинизма. И то и другое им не
полагалось знать лучше своих преподавателей. Но если от общения с Марксом
и Лениным они были гарантированы, и здесь критерием истины служила оценка,
то иностранцы их сданный на пять с плюсом язык не понимали в упор. А уж
они иностранцев и подавно; программа была составлена таким образом, что
понимать они могли друг с другом только преподавателей. Дело было налажено
столь научно, что дочки советских офицеров из Германии поступали на
немецкое отделение Университета, свободно чирикая по-немецки, и после пяти
лет обучения с преподавателями специальной квалификации и с научными
степенями, по утвержденной Министерством высшего образования методике,
квакали по-немецки с чудовищным акцентом и мучительным трудом. С кем
поведешься, от того и наберешься.
Anonymous  02/06/19 Вск 02:24:40 590703
We're here to learn English from movies and YouTube like Tony Montana
Anonymous  02/06/19 Вск 19:36:57 590764
>>59067 (OP)
russians used to learn french in 1800, then kicked napoleon ass.
russians used to learn german in 1900, then kicked hitlers ass
russians are learning english in 2000,....

on topic:
russians dont give a shit about the rest of the world. in russia at least.
Anonymous  02/06/19 Вск 20:06:32 590775
>>59067 (OP)
No need to, Russia is self-suficient state in almost all areas in language too. No need for average russian to learn english.
02/06/19 Вск 23:21:58 590846
>>59067 (OP)
Literally this.
Movies, music, games... we can have all kinds of media and entertainment in Russian. Same with the science and so on. You must know that Russia is also very big on the Internet, it's freaking cheap here even in the comparison with 'poor' European countries.
t. linguist
Anonymous  02/06/19 Вск 23:34:01 590877
If you want to know anything, you need English.
There's neither science nor much true arts in russia.
I began studying english after they taught me for years, and they did it so that I didn't know it, and thought it's impossible to know it after I tried to get educated in some machinery technology and realized they don't know shit, so I decided to study machinery abroad, but my interests changed.
Anonymous  03/06/19 Пнд 00:18:46 590918
What are the scientific fields which aren't covered with translated literature or sources in Russian?
>they don't know shit
Nobody gives a fuck about your Uryupinsk State Wagon-Building Institute.
Anonymous  03/06/19 Пнд 01:04:32 590929
>>59067 (OP)
Eh, you know, fren, I thought my generation of late 90s can speak English, but they just can't speak/write/understand... Eah, their skills are way much better than their parents', but let's be honest: 3 years of 4chan is not a price one can pay to (at least) understand the language.
Anonymous  03/06/19 Пнд 01:14:51 5909310
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>What are the scientific fields which aren't covered with translated literature or sources in Russian?
I know for sure that there's not a single actual textbook on genetics in russian language, translated or original.
And I suspect that in every other field situation is not much better than in genetics. Especially because russian internets are a tiny fraction of the internet, and all the interesting stuff is happening outside of here.
Anonymous  03/06/19 Пнд 05:45:20 5909411
In school they teach runglish only, english forbidden.
Anonymous  03/06/19 Пнд 11:57:26 5909712
>>59067 (OP)
Yeah, a lot of ppl here just don't bother with English cuz everything is translated. Poorly, but translated nevertheless, and if you don't know English, how can u tell the difference anyway?

I read studies that said only anout 10% of the population knew Englush in any meaningful capacity. More in Moscow and other major cities as English is a good skill to have when you hope to land ursrlf a decent job, but back in the boonies, eh. Who u gonna speak English to? Your plumber?
Anonymous  03/06/19 Пнд 13:23:21 5909813
What is "actual"? I've checked at the Rutracker and saw a plenty of translated books about genetics in Russian which were published in last 10-15 years.
Anonymous  03/06/19 Пнд 15:56:19 5910314
they're all obsolete as fuck
Anonymous  04/06/19 Втр 12:37:36 5912715
>I tried to get educated
You are not average russian who don't need to educate. Or educate in level not more then university bachelor.
Japan is a capital of Seoul.
05/06/19 Срд 01:25:09 5915816
>not a single actual textbook on genetics in russian language, translated or original.

>What is "actual"? I've checked at the Rutracker and saw a plenty of translated books about genetics in Russian which were published in last 10-15 years.

>they're all obsolete as fuck

Anonymous  07/06/19 Птн 22:16:51 5924617
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Tl;dr We don't know English bc KGB!!!1

Which is bollocks, of course. There was no malicious intent, just the context of the Soviet society that prevented ppl from learning languages as a means of communication.

Let’s say you study English or German at school. Why? The official stance was, so that you could have a comprehensive and balanced education. In other words, for no real reason. The old Soviet school curriculum (which the students or the school staff had no control over) was chock full of abstract bull that was supposed to mysteriously grow you as a person but in fact was there just to keep you busy. With no access to real English texts or speakers aside from the Moscow Times newspaper which was written and edited by the Soviet publishing house and contained the same articles you could find in any Russian-language newspaper, there were no practical reasons to practice and improve your language, so many lost their skills within a couple months after finishing school.

And even in the specialised universities the curriculum was not much different. English and German were taught almost as dead languages, like your Latin or Ancient Greek. You had to master the grammar, the pronunciation (based on scratchy records of awkward politically charged texts narrated by RP-speaking dictors), the very limited vocabulary, and to translate texts on how the Soviet Union has better kindergartens than the US. You also read and discussed (as in, wrote and presented essays on) stories by Maugham, Dickens, and Fitzgerald.

And that kinda made sense, too. Again, it wasn’t like you were likely to ever speak to a foreigner given the Iron Curtain and stuff like that so the curriculum and the teaching aids didn’t really need to be adjusted and changed to keep pace with the changing language. You were probably going to become a written translator dealing with technical texts and politically appropriate articles from European socialist papers so good old Dickens and Kaushanskaya’s grammar book (which is still very good and comprehensive today — the Soviet scholars were really good at distilling and codifying grammars) were all you needed to be able to get the job done. And the last bit of foreign language speaking you had to do in your life probably was at your final exam anyway.

Times changed with the fall of the Union, but old teaching habits die hard. Traces of this approach to education can be felt even today. When I was starting to study English at school back in the mid- to late 90’s, our old teacher lady taught us ‘I say!’ was a good phrase to start a conversation with a friend. She probably picked that up from Wodehouse’s books and thought it was the way all English people talked. Back in the mid-00’s I was studying at the Moscow State Linguistic University, regarded the best place in Russia to study translation. They used a Modern English textbook published in the freaking 1973. You can check it out here —, it’s a marvel to read. There is no ideological bullshit in the curriculum nowadays but university students studying to become translatora and/or interpreters are still force-fed stuff like theoretical phonetics, theoretical grammar, and general linguistics even if they are probably never going to deal with this high-level stuff ever in their professional lives.

But there is no malice. There is no KGB approved programme to un-teach people. It’s just a simple reality of teaching and learning languages for reasons other than speaking to actual foreigners. Russian nobility had been doing that for centuries and they didn’t need any KGB conspiracies to justify it.
Anonymous  08/06/19 Суб 08:42:04 5925218
sucky murca pls stop sucking
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